i had assembled more people that hated john kerry than john kerry assembled that hated george bush. that doesn't lead to a man date for governance. that's a mandate for gridlock which is exactly what we got. >> mr. tyler, how do you explain karl rove's power within republican circles? are people simply stupid? are they prepared to part with their money because he's a persuasive salesman? >> no, a lot of people that give to karl rove are very smart people, they're entrepreneurs and they do great work. i'm hearing from them now. and karl rove is ver persuasive. when you talk to him, he knows his stuff but he didn't know his stuff here. what it gets down to, martin, you had 14 million people who didn't show up in 2012 -- that turned out in 2008. you have to reduction of 14 million voters. that's very significant. that tells me this was not a national campaign, that it was a tactical campaign. therefore, the battleground states mattered. voter contact mattered. we lost every single one of the battleground states, and it turns out -- and i think it's actually sort of good news. one, you